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Post by clevelandfan1 on Jul 5, 2014 11:54:09 GMT -5
How much damage will it take if the league pushes back to 2016? It's been way too many years of wait till next year. I know this group has only own the league for around a year but excuses are getting kind of thin.
It might of been better if they just renamed themselves once the new ownership took over. The USFL name is only going to take them so far and with out the team names it's really not worth much any way. With Dwyer continuously popping up and being a reminder of how far back this wait till next year thing goes why not go with a new name.
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Post by banditnation on Jul 5, 2014 17:21:30 GMT -5
I can't stand the fact that this league might get pushed back to 2016. I mean come ON. The new ownership group has had 8 months since the league was said to have been acquired in December, and would have a year and a almost a half up to March of 2015. That's more than enough time. If a league like the FXFL can pop up out of nowhere and set sites on October, then the USFL can at least aim for 2015.
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Post by rcrimson on Jul 5, 2014 21:21:34 GMT -5
They don't have the money and I can see why. I mean it has changed hands 3 times and one former owner was caught embezzling. I would have a hard time giving money to a group with all that going on. It might not be til 2017. Although they did say if the money wasn't coming that it would be better to close shop. But what do I know. They banded me from their site for asking too many questions. Must have hit a nerve.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2014 5:57:38 GMT -5
From the last topic "Big Battle Under Way" created by rcrimson, Jun 24, 2014 at 12:01pm via mobile rcrimson: "Well, good luck with your league. We will talk again after the kickoff in March. I'm gone."
What happened, couldn't stay away? Please refer to our conversation in that post as to why you were banned. I prefer not to go around in circles with you again. It certainly had nothing to do with "hitting any nerve" but rather that you prefer fabricating and distorting facts, and "trolling" and agitating many of those on the page who want to participate in a real dialogue.
We are going about putting our league together in a very methodical and professional manner. We are going to do it right, not just on a wing and a prayer. At the moment we are focused primarily on getting the capital in place that will be necessary to launch and operate the league, including allowing it to withstand significant financial losses for several years until it has stabilized, gained exposure and becomes profitable.
I'll be here and on Facebook to discuss the issues regarding our league, but none of us at the USFL can afford to waste time with the likes of rcrimson.
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Post by rcrimson on Jul 6, 2014 11:29:23 GMT -5
See...I'm not on the inside. I haven't a clue what they are doing. I'm not a "troll". Just giving my opinion. If I'm wrong, ignore me. I'm just a little person in the world. All I know is when people get close to the truth they tend to get pushed to the side. If someone is nowhere near the truth they tend to laugh at them. Why ban someone that isn't speaking the truth? I mean you have nothing to worry about. This is a place to discuss the positives and the negatives. There are people on the Facebook page that are more negative than I am, yet they are still there. Of course they aren't saying the same things I am. 2009 til now 3 different owners. Of course it isn't as bad as the nsfl. They started in 1999. They have team names but no locations yet. When is it a league and when is it a lie.
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Post by clevelandfan1 on Jul 6, 2014 16:09:45 GMT -5
I also think that is a big problems with these new leagues. The whole keeping behind the scenes, cloak and dagger, updates. Most of the posts aren't trolling they just want to know what is happening. I would rather see an update saying that they had a slow month or something didn't go as planned then nothing at all.
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Post by phil on Jul 7, 2014 13:40:44 GMT -5
I can't stand the fact that this league might get pushed back to 2016. I mean come ON. The new ownership group has had 8 months since the league was said to have been acquired in December, and would have a year and a almost a half up to March of 2015. That's more than enough time. Says you. You've never actually thought about why these things all fail, have you? If you think the FXFL is actually going to turn on a microwave and have a fully-formed league pop out in 90 days, you're dumber than I think you are.
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Post by phil on Jul 7, 2014 13:42:11 GMT -5
I also think that is a big problems with these new leagues. The whole keeping behind the scenes, cloak and dagger, updates. Most of the posts aren't trolling they just want to know what is happening. I would rather see an update saying that they had a slow month or something didn't go as planned then nothing at all. And that says more about you than it does about them. When there's something for you to know, you'll know it. Until then, you're going to have to...I don't know, read a book or something. You're not entitled to monthly updates.
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Post by banditnation on Jul 7, 2014 13:47:18 GMT -5
I also think that is a big problems with these new leagues. The whole keeping behind the scenes, cloak and dagger, updates. Most of the posts aren't trolling they just want to know what is happening. I would rather see an update saying that they had a slow month or something didn't go as planned then nothing at all. And that says more about you than it does about them. When there's something for you to know, you'll know it. Until then, you're going to have to...I don't know, read a book or something. You're not entitled to monthly updates. You see "Phil" what you don't understand is the fact that leagues like the A11 pretty much rely on social networking sites like Facebook and Twitter Tweeter. The ones that do have their own webpages either 1, barely ever update them or 2, don't bother to fix them up a bit. So when a league like say the A11 Football League goes silent for 2 months without a single word said about the status of the league, that's a problem. Especially when the league claims to be one "built for the fans, by the fans". How the hell are the fans even supposed to give any input when they practically have lost their voice? (Their voice being Facebook/Twitter).
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2014 15:43:28 GMT -5
I will try to respond to as many of the comments in this section as I can. Hopefully I don’t miss anything.
Damage if pushed back: In our opinion, not much. There may be some backlash and more piling on about doubt that the league will ever happen. If you look at the big picture, it really is only a handful of people paying attention at the moment. This includes those active on our social media, forums such as this, and a handful of those in the press. We have intentionally been laying low and are not wanting to attract attention until we are further along. Our objective is to not talk about what we are going to do but rather what we have accomplished.
Using an alternative name: We’ve got the name, we like it and, although our league and teams will be very different from the original USFL, we intend to establish a league that does the name proud.
Possible push back to 2016: Yes it would be frustrating. And it is the last thing we would want to do. However, it is more important to us to proceed according to our plan, which will allow a strong league be established that can endure for the long term. For us, long term viability and sufficient capitalization is of greater importance than rushing and launching a half-baked under-funded league.
Not enough money: That is correct. Our objective is to raise enough money to launch and operate the league for several years, knowing it will lose significant money during that period. We have a plan to raise this very large sum of money and we are working through it. It’s not anything that can be done overnight, but we refuse to launch an under-capitalized league.
Ownership changes / embezzling: That is all old news. We’ve set up a new USFL that does not carry the baggage of the past. We’re moving forward. We never have said anything about closing shop: utter nonsense. Banned from site: You’re like an old ex-girlfriend; dwelling in the past, exaggerating and distorting stuff, and not wanting to accept things are not like they were...it’s time to move on.
Dialogue/Negative People on Facebook: Yes, there are many on Facebook more negative and doubtful. However, they express their views, they ask questions AND they consider our responses. People are entitled to believe what they want, and we’re not asking anyone to believe a word we say. However, if they ask a hard question or make a negative comment, and we respond, all we ask is that they don’t keep asking the same question over and over and over and over again.
Cloak and Dagger: That is not our intent. We’re trying to be as open and forthright as possible. We have been very clear that our primary focus at this time is raising our capital, and that we are not going to allow ourselves to be distracted by discussions about things such as teams, cities, players, etc. until the financing process has been completed. Raising money is a very difficult task. We have ups and downs, but we are progressing and we are confident it will get done. While we are open about what we are doing, it is not necessarily practical or prudent to provide overly-detailed updates on our efforts. There is a lot of confidential discussion and negotiations with prospective investors; not information we or they want exposed on the internet.
Why these things fail: Many may not think about it. But we absolutely did, and every aspect of our business model was established to avoid the reasons for past failures, and to allow for the greatest chance of success.
“When there's something for you to know, you'll know it.” That is the nail on the head. We’re trying to keep everyone apprised of our efforts as we move along, but we do not intend to make announcements until we have everything lined up and ready to go. As stated previously, our objective is to talk about what we have accomplished rather than what we hope to accomplish.
Social Media / Other Leagues: We don’t want to spend our time talking about other leagues. Each has their own game plan, and are going about their efforts in the manner they feel is best. We have our approach and are sticking to it. As we have expressed in previous comments, if we had been in control of the USFL since day one we would not have launched any public forums such as Facebook or Twitter at this stage. However, we did inherit these forums when we took over, and we felt it only fair to those who are active on them to remain engaged in dialogue and to answer their questions. We certainly are not trying to build those audiences at this time; we will do so later when it is more appropriate.
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