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Post by banditnation on Sept 11, 2014 9:19:58 GMT -5
The fact that the NFL at least evaluated some of these players already makes them NFL caliber.
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Post by eurofan on Sept 11, 2014 9:36:17 GMT -5
phil, I hope you don't really believe that the collge and nfl scouting process is perfect. There are great players that never had the chance to play or be recruted to a top college team but that's not a reason to say they don't play good football. College (and NFL) scouts don't see everything, that's impossible. I can say to you that here in Europe I've seen so many great players that could compete with top NFL players but never had the chance to play college so "no NFL for you". Most of the european players that are college, and some now in the NFL, neede to go talk directly with the college teams so they could see their highlights and maybe offer them a scholarship. Scouts? They didn't even know that they existed or that existed football overseas! You need some names? Björn Werner, Sebastian Vollmer, Markus Kuhn, Kevin Dillman, Andreas Knappe, etc. But well, we're talking about players playing in small colleges. You can't say "that guy" is better than "this guy" because he played at a most popular team or in at the best division in college football. TALENT is the main thing that make you better than the others. So you're saying that you can be a very talented DB (I'm not talking about this guys because I never heard about them... I'm not a big college football fan and you can see why) but if you play in a small college say goodbye to your NFL dream? Wow I thought you needed be talented but after all I just need to play in a top college team and I'm in! To sum up: Play in small college? You'll never play in NFL! Play in Europe? You'll never play in NFL! Played only high school football? You'll never play in NFL! You're an talented player? Oh you never played college football? You'll never play in NFL!
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Post by callmeclemens on Sept 11, 2014 10:25:01 GMT -5
Regardless of how talented these guys are or are not fxfl are doing their best to be pretty close to what they said theyd be, and thats alot more then we can say for other leagues
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Post by broncofan on Sept 11, 2014 13:38:39 GMT -5
Phil, who did you expect they would be signing? Fogg exactly fits who they said they wanted, someone who was signed to an NFL team but didn't make the cut. Most never will make the NFL again, but a few might. I was told "NFL caliber product." These guys.... Did not go to FBS schools. Were not drafted. Were camp fodder. Were not kept. Were not signed to a practice squad. They're not NFL caliber. By definition. They're minor-league caliber, which is fine. But Brian Woods is acting as if they're going to have an amazing product. Not with guys who were average kickoff/punt returners at small schools or who got suspended on the eve of the national championship game for breaking team rules. Not even second-best. Third best. Which, again, fine. This is a minor league. But please don't try to tell me this is going to be "exceptional" football we're going to see. Or that going 20-5 as a two-year starter in the Big 10 is like playing at Towson. Please. I'll give you part of that one. Brian has a tendency to shoot his mouth off and then not be able to carry it out. 6 teams to 4, national TV partner to regional sports networks. Probably is because he has been the only point man for the league with interviews, and having to make things sound more exciting. Still, we'll know more when they release the actual player list. At the rate this league goes, it ought to be right around the time of the kickoff.
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Post by spgpointsperson on Sept 11, 2014 23:24:43 GMT -5
The fact that the NFL at least evaluated some of these players already makes them NFL caliber. The fact that the American Idol judges see every applicant does not make every applicant worthy of a "record deal caliber".
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Post by phil on Sept 12, 2014 10:34:09 GMT -5
I don't know what you want. If these players were NFL caliber they'd be on a roster right now. Thanks for making my point. Brian Woods has said this will be an NFL-caliber product. You can't have an NFL-caliber product with non-NFL-caliber players. Saying they will or might one day be NFL-caliber (while remaining to be seen) is one thing and that's all well and good. If you're a developmental league, then embrace that. But don't tell me the football is going to be amazing and NFL-caliber when, by definition, it can't be. I'm calling Woods out on his hyperbole. That's all. As for players...the FXFL needs at least four and no more than eight quarterbacks. There were 35 quarterbacks cut from NFL training camps this summer. A couple - like Curtis Painter and Brady Quinn and Trent Edwards - probably aren't prospects anymore. A few landed back on practice squads. But there are probably 24-28 guys who were judged to be decent enough to be either drafted or invited to camp, but not quite good enough to stock. They're in shape. They're just out of a pro environment. And so, of course, the FXFL goes and signs Jordan Jefferson. Who has not been in a pro camp since 2012 and has not played in a meaningful game since January 2012. Who has been suspended more than once and has had legal troubles. Who last played in the Arena league in 2013. That's what they do? That's where they go? That's NFL caliber? Really? If you're going to sign cornerbacks from Liberty and guys who some independent blogger thinks are quality players and guys who get suspended on the eve of the FCS national championship game, then, fine. Again, just say that. Embrace that. But don't tell me this will be NFL-caliber football on Wednesday nights in a minor league baseball stadium in Brooklyn, because it won't be. It just won't. No matter how much you fanboys get aroused about it, it won't be.
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Post by phil on Sept 12, 2014 10:35:00 GMT -5
The fact that the NFL at least evaluated some of these players already makes them NFL caliber. No, it doesn't. By definition. You really don't understand, do you? If you applied to Harvard and didn't get in, but they looked at your application, does that make you Ivy League caliber? Man, you're really, really dense.
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Post by phil on Sept 12, 2014 10:43:00 GMT -5
phil, I hope you don't really believe that the collge and nfl scouting process is perfect. There are great players that never had the chance to play or be recruted to a top college team but that's not a reason to say they don't play good football. College (and NFL) scouts don't see everything, that's impossible. I can say to you that here in Europe I've seen so many great players that could compete with top NFL players but never had the chance to play college so "no NFL for you". Most of the european players that are college, and some now in the NFL, neede to go talk directly with the college teams so they could see their highlights and maybe offer them a scholarship. Scouts? They didn't even know that they existed or that existed football overseas! You need some names? Björn Werner, Sebastian Vollmer, Markus Kuhn, Kevin Dillman, Andreas Knappe, etc. But well, we're talking about players playing in small colleges. You can't say "that guy" is better than "this guy" because he played at a most popular team or in at the best division in college football. TALENT is the main thing that make you better than the others. So you're saying that you can be a very talented DB (I'm not talking about this guys because I never heard about them... I'm not a big college football fan and you can see why) but if you play in a small college say goodbye to your NFL dream? Wow I thought you needed be talented but after all I just need to play in a top college team and I'm in! To sum up: Play in small college? You'll never play in NFL! Play in Europe? You'll never play in NFL! Played only high school football? You'll never play in NFL! You're an talented player? Oh you never played college football? You'll never play in NFL! I think you overstate how great the quality of American football is in Europe. "So many great players that could compete with top NFL players" my ass. Yes, you should stay at your job in a restaurant in Hamburg and playing third division ball in Germany when you're just as good as those other guys. No, no system is perfect. And there are small college guys who make it to the NFL every year. But please, spare me the Bjorn Werners of the world. If you were really that good, you'd get on a plane and come over here. Because - quiet as it's kept - NFL coaches and evaluators' livelihoods depend on finding the best players they can. What I'm SAYING - again, for the benefit of those of you who don't listen - is that advertising this as an "NFL-caliber" product when you are signing guys who weren't drafted, who weren't kept on a practice squad, and who weren't highly-recruited out of high school....well, what is that, again? How many chances does a guy need to get before it's obvious he's just not quite good enough? Or is an endorsement from some Euro who claims Markus Kuhn is as good as anybody over here good enough? Don't get recruited highly out of high school. Don't play at a big school. Don't get drafted. Don't make a team. Don't make a practice squad. How many strikes is that? There's no shame in not being good enough for the NFL. Just please, please, please, Euroboy, don't try to tell me guys who aren't even THAT good are just having their dreams unfairly stifled because they're in Cologne or Frankfurt and if they could only just get an opportunity over here, they'd TOTALLY be as good as all those millionaires who WERE highly recruited out of high school, DID play at a big school, DID get drafted and DID make a team. The system ain't perfect. But come the hell on. How many chances do you want to give guys?
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Post by broncofan on Sept 12, 2014 11:48:02 GMT -5
OK, it's a difference in how we determine the term NFL caliber. If you ask Brian Woods, it means anyone good enough to go through an NFL camp, although in some cases, these are only rookie camps. If you ask Phil, it means someone good enough to be on an NFL team or practice squad right now. Probably some of us are somewhere in between.
My question is, whatever the skill of the players, can they put together enough in the teams to have something anyone wants to watch?
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Post by callmeclemens on Sept 12, 2014 19:52:50 GMT -5
Jordan Jefferson QB LSU Keith Lewis VA-Lynchburg
Welcome to the FXFL
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